IRON MAIDEN’S BRUCE DICKINSON LOOKS “BACK IN TIME”:
May 11, 2008
Bruce Dickinson made his live debut with Iron Maiden at the end of 1981. He had viewed the group’s early emergence from a ringside seat as lead singer with Samson, another of the bands in what the rock press dubbed “the new wave of British heavy metal.”
Since then, he has been not only Iron Maiden’s definitive lead singer, but an author, sportsman, a solo artist for five years in the 1990s, a radio DJ and a pilot. Before the May 12 release of “Somewhere Back in Time,” a compilation of the band’s ’80s hits, and in the middle of the most successful global tour of the band’s career, which launched February 1 in Mumbai, India, he sat down with Billboard to discuss his, and Maiden’s, life and times.
Q: When you joined Maiden, how aware had you been of the band?
Bruce Dickinson: We effectively grew up together, musically, because I was in Samson, and all the bands were aware of everybody else, we all gigged together. It’s fair to say Maiden had this momentum about them. It was like standing in front of a truck. They had that energy before they got the deal (with label EMI).
Q: But that took quite a while to build, didn’t it?
Dickinson: It did, but a lot of that was Steve (Harris, bassist and founding member) trying to get the personnel right, trying to get the commitment from people. Once the deal was signed, the press leapt all over it. “Running Free” came out, and it cunningly snuck in under the radar of all the punk stuff. They must have had to restrain Steve, because he absolutely hated punk. The first album (“Iron Maiden,” 1980) went to No. 4, which was an astonishing feat for a band like that.
Q: What were the circumstances of you replacing Paul Di’anno as lead singer?
Dickinson: Things with Paul hadn’t been going terribly well, and they’d made the decision to get rid of him. So they came and took a peek at me. Clive (Burr, Maiden’s then-drummer) had been in Samson for three years, and (the album) “Killers” was being made at Zomba Studios (in northwest London), which back then was Morgan Studios.
We were in Morgan, and Maiden were in the (studio) opposite. So we used to go to the pub and have a few beers and chat. I went over and listened to the Maiden record and Clive would come over and listen to ours.
Q: Had you looked across at the band and thought, “I could do that?”
Dickinson: Oh, I did that the first time I saw Maiden play, in Camden (north London) at the Music Machine. It was like a four-act bill, we were supposed to be headlining and Maiden were third on the bill. They turned up and it was clearly their audience. Everybody left as soon as they’d finished.
I stood at the back watching and thought, “Christ, this is a great band. Imagine what I could do if I was singing with that band.”
Q: It seems as though Maiden developed a common cause because the band members were, and still are, outsiders.
Dickinson: We are still outsiders. We always will be, because that’s our essential nature. I can’t imagine what it would be like to go to vacuous showbiz parties. It’d be a nightmare. It’s just not what we’re about. The show’s the thing. Everything you need to know about Iron Maiden is onstage.
Q: How did you develop your personal stagecraft?
Dickinson: It’s one thing to project a confident air to the back of a club. It’s another to do the same thing in a theatre, then an arena, and it’s quite another thing to do it in a festival. Before the days of camera and side screens, you were just a little speck. It was a rapid learning curve.
My aim as a frontman is always to try and shrink the venue, if you can, to turn that football stadium into the world’s smallest club. At least you have to try. The essence of the Maiden experience is that we want to include everybody in it.
Q: When “The Number of the Beast” hit No. 1 on the U.K. charts in April 1982, it knocked Barbra Streisand’s “Love Songs” off the top. It was almost anti-establishment.
Dickinson: Yes, we had a bit of a history of that. With “Bring Your Daughter … to the Slaughter” (in January 1991) we did a service to the nation by knocking Sir Cliff (Richard) off the Christmas No. 1. I’m still waiting for my (royal honor as a) C.B.E. for that.
Q: You personally have always taken on challenges, whether it’s fencing, broadcasting, being an author or being a pilot.
Dickinson: That’s because I just have an insatiable curiosity about the nature of things, and I think the best way to find out about something is to try and do it. Flying wasn’t on a list. It would be awfully good from the point of view of people writing about us if there was a plan, but there isn’t.
The movie we’re just doing (“Chemical Wedding”) stems from conversations in the pub with Julian Doyle (Dickinson’s co-writer on the film and its director) 15 years ago. As it happens, we’re now having the most successful tour in the band’s history, the band is a global phenomenon, and in the same year, we get to release a feature film, followed shortly afterwards by another feature film with a documentary, DVD, all the rest of it. … It looks like a plan. It’s not. It’s totally random.
Q: So you’re probably not very good at sitting around daydreaming.
Dickinson: I’m very good at daydreaming. Ask any of my schoolteachers.
Q: In the period when you were out of the band (1993-98), did your solo work fulfill you?
Dickinson: The reason I left Maiden was that I genuinely didn’t know if I was getting that buzz anymore from doing new stuff. Nothing bad happened, there were no disagreements. The machine ran like clockwork, and that’s when I started to get really antsy.
Also, the cult status of the band meant that whatever you did, people would go, in a patronizing fashion, “Oh, nice effort.” I didn’t think they’d have any problem finding another singer, but their subsequent career path hit a few oily patches on the road.
My own career fell off a cliff, and I decided I’d have one go at completely reinventing (myself), so everybody thought I’d gone raving mad, and I came up with an album called “Skunkworks” (1996). It got great reviews, but the record company wasn’t sure.
Then I did a record called “The Chemical Wedding” (1998), which was digging really deep into territory I’d never been to before, but keeping a rock sensibility.
I think it’s fair to say it was a fairly groundbreaking album, did really well sales-wise and I could see myself having a successful global cottage industry as an artist. Clearly it was never going to rival Maiden. But at the same time, looking at Maiden, it was obvious something was going to crack.
Q: How did you develop as an artist during those solo years?
Dickinson: I was a much deeper musician by the time I got to “Chemical Wedding” than I ever was during the latter two or three albums with Maiden. I was much more serious about it. Roy Z, who was my producer and collaborator, said, “You’ve got to go back. You’ve done it, you’ve changed yourself around, it’s worked. But the world needs Iron Maiden.”
And I thought, “It does.” Then we had a meeting, myself and Steve. He was a bit leery at first. His main thing was wanting to know, if I came back, that I wasn’t going to leave again. I said, “Quite the contrary — if we glue it all back together again, we could do stuff that’s better than we ever thought possible. It could be bigger than we ever dreamed of.”
And that’s pretty much the way it’s turned out. It’s a really exciting place to be at the moment.
Q: So how would you compare Maiden now with the group of, say, 25 years ago?
Dickinson: The way we play the songs now is in many ways more powerful, it’s more under control. It’s not like somebody running so fast that their legs are running away underneath them, which is kind of what it was like in the ’80s. This is a mature runner now who knows the pace and has always got something in the tank for the sprint when it’s appropriate. We’ve reached that sweet spot.
Courtesy of www.billboard.com